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new this morning. after more than a week, an apology for this. michael brown's stepfather says he is sorry for those words. as we get new word on whether officials will press charges for inciting a riot. >> this has just been an awful incident for everybody and i just think that that just clouds the discussion. and charles weighs in. nba great charles barkley
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talking about ferguson. why he says looters are "scumbags" and is siding with police. and new york city on edge. any minute a grand jury could rule on a case that some people think is very similar to ferguson. hello, everyone, i'm john berman. >> and i'm michaela pereira. >> we're going to begin with news developing over the last couple of hours. an apology from michael brown's step faerd louis head. he is the man who is being investigated by many for what appeared to be a call for violence after learning an indictment would not be issued against the officer who shot and killed his stepson.
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>> some say this outburst sparked rioting in ferguson, others say it was the gut wrenching emotional cries of a man whose stepson was killed. local law enforcement officials say don't expect charges to come from this investigation. we have all the angles covered. our den lomb monois here. he has the statement from louis head. evan perez has new information and mel robbins is here giving us legal perspective on all of. this don, i think we should start with you. this statement came to you from a source very close to louis head. what is he saying? >> i spoke to louis head this morning. he didn't want to talk long because -- >> i'll bet. >> this is a tough time for him. he's not used to dealing with things like this. he said yes, those are my words in that statement, i didn't mean to cause any of this, i certainly didn't want to see my city burn. so let's go to the statement and i'll talk more about the conversation. he said "something came over me as i watched and i listened to
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my wife, the mother of michael brown, jr., react to the gut wrenching news that the cop who killed her son wouldn't be charged with a crime. my emotions admittedly got the best of me. this was my family. i was so angry and full of raw emotions as so many others were and granted i screamed out words that i should haven't screamed in the heat of the moment. it was wrong and i humbly apologize to all those who read my pain and anger as a true desire for what i want for our community. it wasn't." he goes on to say "the last thing i wanted to do is to see my community go up in flames." he also said, which i think is interesting, is that "to place the blame solely on me for the conditions of our community and country and the grand jury decision goes way too far and is wrong in u.s. as well." so there's a bit of nuance here. it's not just i'm sorry, what i did was wrong. >> but he is saying he's sorry which is something he did not say at all this clearly in the days that followed and a lot of people are wondering why not. >> why not. it appeared he hadn't shown any remorse and through the mom,
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michael brown's mom, she said he spoke in anger. many people said "well, we haven't heard from him." he apologized to her and the people around but we hadn't heard from him. again, what he said, no one can condone it, it's reprehensible. >> but we can understand the grief and how it affects us differently. >> you took the words out of my mouthment i don't know what it's like to lose a loved one in that manner. i would hope i wouldn't say what he said because -- but i'm a bit more savvy when it comes to media. even being in the media. >> i hope you would be. >> but we screw it up sometimes. i keep quoting our very own jeffrey toobin and he has said it to me and i'll keep repeating it. he says these are ordinary people put in extraordinary circumstances. >> but there were other people who didn't yell those things. >> the mother didn't yell them and the mother and the father, michael brown, sr., have all along said no violence, no violence they're saying they can't control what he says. mow he's apologizing. >> louis head is owning it now. the question is, what will
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happen to the legal investigation. he is responding now after word that police were investigating him possibly for inciting a riot. our evan perez has news this morning about the status of that investigation. evan? >> you know, the problem with bringing charges related to that video is simply that it's not clear that anyone who was within earshot of him went out and burned anything down. so that's the reason why i'm told by law enforcement officials that this is likely not to go anywhere. you have to also wonder what's at play here. this issue has become a little politicized and so you have the ferguson police chief goes on fox news and says that he's going to investigate this after the lieutenant governor down there, republican also, had brought this issue up. so what you see is perhaps what's happening in ferguson getting politicized and the police chief decided he was going to make a mention of this as a way to respond to all of
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this. people down there have just had enough. they think that -- they'd like to quiet it down, bring peace rather than inflame things and that's not what the chief has done. >> and, mel, we spoke about this yesterday, about the timing of this, of just how ill-timed, mel, this could be. what about you? are you surprised? you said idea i don't think this is going to be something that's going to stick" to begin with. >> well, good morning michaela and everybody else. i'm not surprised. i think it's the right move. here's what i find interesting about this. i think evan is right. this is more of a political conversation than a legal one. under section 574 of the missouri criminal code they could bring charges against him. all they have to prove is that he made these statements with the intention that people do something, that they riot, that they burn things and this that, in fact, happened. lots of people have pointed out that most of the buildings that went up in flames almost
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immediately happened a mile away, happened way out of earshot. but there were police cars that had broken windows and were ultimately lit on fire so the police could make a case, but one of the things we've talked about over and over in relation to ferguson is prosecutorial discretion. prosecutors everyday in america are faced with cases where they have to make a judgment call. can i make a case out in criminal court? can i prove it yord? and this is an example of a case where, yes, they have a fact scenario to charge. however the prosecutors and the police are clearly using their discretion and rightfully so to say he's got a very believable reason. he was extremely distraught, not of us can understand what he's going through and more importantly, do we really want as a matter of policy and politics to charge this man? they've arrived at the right answer in my mind, which is no.
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>> evan, just to pit this point very hard. your legal sources are telling you that it is likely he will not be charged for inciting a riot. not only that, some of the people you're talking to are kind of annoyed that it was so publicly discussed. >> and evan, isn't this coming from -- they believe this is coming from the chief, chief jackson and the ferguson police department. the prosecutor doesn't know much about this. no one beyond that except for the allegations made on another network? >> that's right. tom jackson, the police chief down there who, frankly, there's been an effort to get him removed from there to help reform the police department. so that's part of the issue. they would really like to quiet things down. certainly this prosecutor has no appetite to cause even more unrest in that city. so they'd like him to just quiet down and stop doing tv interviews and bring up these inflammatory things, you know? >> evan perez, don lemon, mel,
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we'll ask you to stick around. fellas, thanks for joining us. we appreciate it. we'll continue to cover this story. ahead for us at this hour, nba legend charles barkley weighs in on ferguson and race and louis head. he says the time to talk is right now. >> we've always had a racial issue in this country and the biggest problem with it is we never discuss race until something bad happens. wouldn't it be great if hiring plumbers, carpenters shopping online is as easy as it gets. and even piano tuners were just as simple? thanks to angie's list, now it is. we've made hiring anyone from a handyman to a dog walker as simple as a few clicks. buy their services directly at angieslist.com no more calling around. no more hassles. start shopping from a list of top-rated providers today. angie's list is revolutionizing local service again. visit angieslist.com today.
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>> let's begin with the news of the day, that michael brown's step dad is being investigated for saying eight different times "burn this b down" the night the grand jury decision was made public. he's being investigated for inciting a riot. do you think that is fair? should police be pursuing that? >> no, i think under the circumstance this is has just been an awful incident for everybody and i just think that that just clouds the discussion. >> what about the walkouts and protests in? you've definitely caught some slack for calling some people -- >> i don't do social media. >> i know you don't. >> and i don't sit around and watch what everybody thinks about me. >> the scumbag comment, respond to that. >> when you're looting people's property, that's what you are.
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it's not your property. you wouldn't want people to do it to your house. >> do you think we would be see all of that had this been a black police officer? had darren wilson been plaque and the facts remaining the same we would still have a slain 18-year-old. would the outrage be there? >> no, because we have a racial issue in this country. we've always had a racial issue in this country. and the biggest problem with it is we never discuss race until something bad happens. we never have meaningful dialogue over a cold beer when things are going good. but what happens is everybody -- when something bad happens, everybody has a tribe mentality. everybody want to protect their own tribe, whether they're right or wrong. >> when what dough do you mean when they're right or wrong? >> we all got bad characters in our group. we all got bad characters. so my grandmother taught me you judge everybody in their own merit. don't put everybody together.
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black is not always right and white is not always wrong. but let me say this, the notion that white cops are out there just killing black people, that's ridiculous. that's flatout ridiculous. and i challenge any black person to try to make that point. this notion that cops -- cops are actually awesome. you know, they're the only ng the ghetto from between this place being the wild wild west. brooke baldwin is here with us now. brooke, charles barkley thinking a lot about this over the last week. >> it's pretty interesting. i think like a lot of people he initially heard the first -- i don't want to say facts. first rumors about what happened in ferguson back in august and he initially as many of us did jumped to the conclusion, oh my gosh, this kid running away from a police officer must have been shot in the back. so horrible from this family. and he talks about the noise.
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take the noise away. he agreed to talk to me and only cnn after the grand jury made their decision and he actually has taken the time and he encourages a lot of other people to take the time to read the testimony. there's a lot there and to come to your own conclusion, just the sheer force of people. he initially called them scumbags, those breaking the law and looting and setting businesses and cars on fire is wrong. but he said a lot of people were ready to riot whether the officer had been indicted or not. they made up their minds not based upon the fact, not based upon what happened. he said the process, people were calling on due process and wanted this thing to be played out publicly in a trial. he said the process is done. people don't want to accept the outcome. >> it's interesting. this is not the first time nor will it be the last time. one of the reasons we love sir charles is because he is sir charles and he sounds off. but he's reticent to be seen as
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someone we should idolize or look up to. he struggled with that in the past. >> remember the role model ad? >> i remember that. but you asked him about the case going on that we're waiting on a verdict -- well, a decision from a grand jury, it seems like we're rewinding the story. you asked him about the eric garner case. >> yes, because we were talking about police force and so i almost in an aside just very aware of what we're waiting for of this grand jury -- let me back up in case you're not as familiar. eric garner, back in july, was accused of selling loose cigarettes. and that's illegal. and so you see unlike in ferguson where there's audio, you see videotape from someone standing by with his cell phone, multiple police officers jump on eric garner this is the guy, we're waiting to see if he is indicted. ultimately eric garner dies. and the question is the medical examiner ruled it a homicide, you hear me push charles about that. this is what charles barkley said about this upcoming
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decision in staten island. let me go back to the notion of white cops killing black people. what about the notion of the results coming down from the grand jury here in new york. it's one thing in ferguson but you see the video, you see these cops surround him. >> yes, yes. >> and he ultimately -- it was a homicide. >> i don't think that was a homicide. i don't think that was a homicide. >> what was that? it was a choke hold. you see it. >> well, i think cops were trying to arrest him and they got a little aggressive. i think excessive force, something like that. now go right to murder, when the cops are trying to arrest you, if you fight back things go wrong. that doesn't mean -- i don't think they were trying to kill mr. garner. you know? he was a bag man and they tried
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to get him down. >> so his whole point, don't resist arrest. he doesn't believe the officer you see with his arm around eric garner's neck was thinking "i want to murder this man." and that's part of charles's whole point. >> a grand jury is discussing right now at this moment in staten island. stay tuned. that decision could come at any moment. brooke baldwin, thank you so much. >> full interview today, right? >> including parts that are so pro vock i have the that you've saved them for your own show. >> which we respect. >> that's o'clock p.m. here on cnn. don't miss it. >> here's a question. do the comments from charles barkley ring true within the black community? we'll debate it next at this hour.
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>> first of all we as black people, we've got a lot of crooks. we can't just wait until something like this happens. we have to look ourselves in the mirror. there's a reason they racially profile us at times. sometimes it's wrong, but sometimes it's right. >> that was nba legend charles barkley, as if he needed introduction, speaking to brooke baldwin about the situation in ferguson, missouri and beyond. making some comments some people see as controversial about how police deal with suspects. >> and about how african-americans discuss race. >> how we all do. >> joining us, joe hicks vice president of community advocates and ashley yates, activist of millennials united.
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charles barkley said a lot, he called the people who rioted in ferguson scumbags. he talked about police being necessary all over the country and he talked about the attitudes within the african-american community about discussions of race. i'm wondering what you made of his comments? >> i think he said it all when he said that you cannot judge one group of people based on one person's actions or comments. therefore i would be -- i find it incredulous that people would try to gauge the black community by charles barkley's comments. he does not speak for the community in which i exist. he has not been to ferguson. he has not reached out or spoken to protesters or organizers actively working to change our community and actively working to help heal after this trauma that we've experienced for last 117 days. i think you'd also be hard pressed to find anyone whose comment on this issue are less valid than charles barkley's. >> less valid. you seem upset by his comments. >> i wouldn't say upset. i just find it very curious that
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people are now wanting to comment on something that we have been experiencing for 117 days and i find it very curious that people who want to comment on a social political climate that has occurred refused to comment on why that happened. no one is commenting on the infringing of our civil liberties or the fact that hundreds of people were rounded up and had their first amendment rights violated as well as other rights. no one's commenting on the responsibility of the police for the tear gas that they've been enacting upon our communities. no one is commenting on their violations of not wearing their name tags and not wearing their badges and refusing to identify who is head of command and people want to focus on burning buildings and i find that incredulous. >> joe, you heard what ashley has to say, what charles barkley has to say. i wonder if you want to weigh in. >> i think it's interesting that ashley seemed to think that charles barkley has no right to comment on what is actually a national conversation that's spun out of the issues that took place in ferguson.
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i'm right here in los angeles. we had people protesting and marching right here. people interrupting traffic on freeways right here. so charles barkley had every right to make a comment about what he sees as the different kind of issues are taking place spinning out of the killing of michael brown. i thought his comments -- you know, charles barkley's known to be a brutally honest guy. it might run counter to what ashley and many people who have a racial orthodoxy would like to have him say and disagree with what he's saying. so it's a political disagreement here. she simply doesn't like what the man said because it doesn't, in fact, line up with what we hear. and when we hear ashley saying well we've got to understand all these things. well, there are differing opinions about what in fact causes those conditions in places like ferguson and los angeles and new york. >> and, ashley, you know, your very point brings up a very fair
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point is that even the four of us probably all have differing thoughts and differing opinions and different circumstances that led us to those opinions. what -- it is a national discussion because we all are watching what's happening in ferguson, ferguson is a mirror for many people of what's happening in their own communities. >> definitely so. and i'm glad that this conversation is happening now. and i think charles barkley is entirely right that we shouldn't wait until something tragic happens to have this conversation. >> agreed. >> but i definitely -- we definitely know this is a nationwide problem, like you said. this isn't just ferguson. people are watching ferguson particularly close because of the reaction of the state on people who were trying to peacefully protest and say we don't want to see any more black bloodshed in the streets by those who are supposed to protect and serve us. but as we speak right now, we're waiting on a decision? the eric garner case. we also saw the officers who killed a seven-year-old child with military weapons, ayanna jones in detroit were just
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recently relieved from any repercussions for their actions. we've seen darien hunt's officers get a non-indictment. we're waiting on the case of tammir rice to see what that will turn into. so we know this is not about michael brown. we know this is not just about ferguson. we know this is a national issue and we know this is a conversation that needs to be had and that there are going to be differing opinions brought to the table. but i think as long as we do that in a respectful manner we'll be okay. >> hear, hear. >> we are down with that. >> and for that joe hicks and ashley yates, i thank you both for being here. part of the respectful conversation. >> we can't it again. we'd love that. ahead here, as ashley was mentions, eric garner died after an officer put him in a choke hold while trying to arrest him. we know protests erupted and we know a grand jury is deciding right now whether or not to indict that officer. what is going to come out of this? and is new york ready? ♪
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so there is a national debate going on about excessive use of force. a new investigation by the "wall street journal" finds it's almost impossible to determine just how many people are killed by police each year. >> the report in the "wall street journal" finds hundreds of police killings are not counted in certain federal statistics because local police agencies are not required to send the fbi these specific numbers.
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police killings from 35 of the 105 largest police agencies contacted by the "journal" did not appear in fbi records. >> so this controversial case we're watching this hour, a grand jury in staten island, new york, could decide any minute if an officer should be indicted in the july death of a black man. officer daniel pantaleo suspected that eric garner was selling illegal cigarettes and put him in a choke hold as they were trying to arrest him. as you might know, that video went viral. >> eric garner died. the medical examiner ruled it a homicide which essentially means a man died because of something caused by another man. but you also noticed that garner had health problems, including asthma and heart disease. this happened a few weeks before the incident in ferguson and, like ferguson, it sparked protests. the protests here have been peaceful. the question at this hour is what will the reaction be when the grand jury decision comes in this case?
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new york police say they're ready to keep the peace. we want to bring in mel robbins to discuss this. mel, i'm wondering if you can explain based on the video that we've all seen now what exactly grand jury will be deciding. the new york police department has a rule against choke holds, but that doesn't niecely mean choke holds in and of themselves are illegal. >> well, it doesn't mean that they're illegal, john, in the sense that, you know, you could be charged with a crime. but here's what i think 1 the important legal issue to focus on. what the grand jury is going to be looking at is whether or not there was reasonable or excessive force used. because if there was excessive force used than this officer could be guilty or could be charged with criminally negligent homicide because he's following a policy that is not reasonable because it's already been outlawed, john. >> talk to us about other things
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we know. he was 43 years old, a big guy, some 350 pounds. we also have learned he had some health problems, i believe there was asthma, there might have been a heart condition. obviously this is information that the jury, the grand jury, is given. how does all of that factor into them making their decision? >> well, i don't think it should factor in. because what we see on this video is we see him complaining that he can't breathe. we see him complaining he can't breathe multiple times and, frankly, that's why they've outlawed the choke hold. interestingly, what you're also going to see is the fact that the police are also going to focus on what they call the continuum of force. in this video, what you're looking at is you see the officers surrounding eric garner, he's a huge guy, obviously. they're talking to him and then suddenly this police officer comes behind him and gets anymore what we've been referring to as a choke hold. what some of the legal experts
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that are arguing on behalf of this officer may argue is that, look, as the situation was escalating, we've got a guy that's clearly resisting arrest, he's enormous, we've got to do something in order to subdue him. that's not a choke hold, what you saw, that's what we call a lateral vascular neck restraint where the elbow is pointed down and we're not putting any kind of pressure on the windpipe, we're only using this kind of restriction and this kind of pain compliance tool as some of the language that they may be using in order to subdue him. clearly we didn't intend to kill him. and so this could come down to whether or not the grand jury sees what this officer did as an illegal choke hold which makes it completely unreasonable or if they see that it's some sort of pain compliance tool that is reasonable when you have somebody resisting arrest, michaela. >> mel, we'll ask you to stay
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18 women, 18 women, who have now come forward and accused bill cosby of sexual assault. but the latest accuser is different from them all. she has filed a lawsuit claiming the comedian molested her 40 years ago when she was 15 years old. >> so in this lawsuit, she says that bill cosby gave her and her young friend, i think her different was around the same age as she was, a beer. and then assaulted the plaintiff at the playboy mansion and told her to lie about her age if anyone asked. cosby's lawyer has not responded to this case but you can be sure that they will. but they have repeatedly denied other allegations. let's bring back our analyst mel robbins. mel, it's been interesting to see. we have watched as these allegations, we've spoken with many of the women here on cnn. they have been very serious allegations, the accusations, this is different. 15 years old. does it take it to another level? the fact that they can file -- they are filing a lawsuit
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appears to me that it has taken another level. >> absolutely. and she may be the only person based on the statute of limitations that can file a lawsuit. see, in the state of california there's what they call the delayed discovery rule. typically, if you have this kind of sexual battery or assault committed against you as a minor, you only have until your 26th birthday, michaela, to come forward. but under the delayed discovery rule, that can be extended almost indefinitely. >> just to be clear, here, this is a lawsuit against bill cosby. but does he face any criminal jeopardy here because this woman has come forward, mel? >> you know, the statute of limitations has already run in terms of california. they extended it well after this allegation took place. but this is certainly a civil claim that is a very, very
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strong one, just like we saw in the 2005 case where there were 13 jane does that were named as potential witnesses. i'm certain that you're going to see a long list of potential witnesses probably by name this time, not by jane doe, that will join in to testify in the lawsuit, john. >> i want to give you a two-part question, mel, because i want you to put your legal hat on and then maybe a bit more of your pr hat if you will, since you're here with us. what would you advise him legally to do going forward? and just from a pr angle, i'm curious how you think this has been handled by his people. >> well, as his lawyer, i would tell him absolutely positively do not say a word right now to anyone about anything because in this particular case they've got a very strong first defense to try to get it thrown out based on it not meeting the requirements of the delayed discovery rule. and that would mean lawyers would be in hearings and bill cosby wouldn't even have to say
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a word about the merits of the case. in terms of the pr, two points here. i interviewed him about four years ago and he was uncontrollable during the interview. it lasted two and a half hours, it was supposed to last 30 minutes. and i think that his lawyers know that he's a loose cannon if they were to put him in front of a microphone and let him say anything. that's number one. number two, he gains nothing by saying anything at this point and knew there's been a lawsuit filed, they can do what we all know is likely to happen, there's a lawsuit pending, i can't comment. michaela? >> so he's just got to sit and listen to this right now. and youfully a legal perspective his silence is really the only defense he has? >> absolutely. >> all right, mel robbins, very interesting. we'll be talking about it more because this is not going away, it would seem. >> thanks so much, mel. ahead for us at this hour, we are going to show you a look you have not seen before. on the ground inside the city that has been the center of the
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workplaces, their schools. >> this is an extraordinary look you have not seen before at the epicenter of the battle against isis. our senior international correspondent nick paton walsh walked the street. watch. >> reporter: we've been taken down this street towards the eastern front line behind those curtain there is put up to protect them from snipers by the two female ypg fighters escorting us down there. this is near the eastern front where there's been much more intense fighting in the past three or four days. while we get differing figures from whoever you speak to about quite how much of the city is controlled and you see here quite remarkable devastation caused by the explosives what's quite clear is that isis is far from giving up on this
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fight. they've moved across the official border crossing three or four days ago. they were beaten back. but each night, particularly last night, we had very intense clashes further down this street towards the eastern front here. you can hear -- you can see the absolute devastation here as we get closer towards isis positions here to the northeast of the city. some of this caused by air strikes but some, too, from daily constant sometimes every five minutes thump of mortars, some homemade by isis. we can see turkey literally just behind us. but they're edging through the wreckage, closer and closer to the places to try to push forward. >> our nick paton walsh is now
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safely back in turkey. we are very glad for that. nick, walking the streets there, you get a sense of what it's like for the people who have lived through this siege? >> reporter: unbelievably difficult. of course, when you see there, every time you open your eyes in kobani, there's devastation literally everywhere. there are people still living there. i don't know really to say how many. you get the feeling of a town not deserted but certainly with many less people than would normally be in it. and they are trying to get food, fuel to stay warm in the oncoming winter. but the major problem is the bombardment by isis. they use homemade device, mortars, gas canisters filled with shrapnel. and the sheer vibrations you feel when a coalition air strike goes in. many of them are aware when it
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comes in, they know what's coming afterwards. the loud explosions that shake the walls and windows are most likely known by the kurds there to be from a friendly force. but a nerve-shattering experience, too. when you go on the roofs of some of these buildings at night, the sheer volume of heavy machine gun fire that whizzes overhead has to land somewhere. it must be terrifying for those civilians still there who don't want to leave their homes. children we spoke to show us how they hide from bombings. they scuttle under a room and hid under cushions. a sense of panic, frankly. >> nick, we're so glad you're back to safety. thank you so much to you and your team for bringing the images to us and showing them to us. it's important for us to remember the humans that are at the center of this as well as you mentioned winter is coming, supplies are scarce. we don't know what kind of aid is getting to them at all. nick paton walsh, tremendous work. thank you so much. be safe.
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ahead at this hour, he was missing for years. you heard about this story, this young boy that was found hidden behind a fake wall in his father's home. now he's home with his mother and he's speaking out.
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boe behind a fake wall in georgia is speaking out. gregory jean's father and stepmother have been arrested and charged with false imprisonment, cruelty to children and obstruction. the judge has denied them bond. police were able to rescue that boy after he managed to contact his mother and tell her where he was. >> it was harsh. it felt like it was not even punishment. i wouldn't call it punishment. i call that torture or something. i seen my mom and i started crying. and my mom's crying harder, something vibrated in me like, this is really tough. >> that young man was reunited with his mother last weekend. so conjoined twins, there are ways to separate them. but a long time ago, there wasn't much anyone could do. >> mike rowe went to a museum that knows all about the first conjoined twins and found out
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they share a whole lot more than just their looks. >> do you know how the name siamese twins are called that? they were born in siam. there have been records of conjoined twins going on since recorded history. they toured with a lot of different sideshows and circuses. they eventually retired from this profession. they bought conjoining farms. they married sisters and had 21 children between them. who whoseever house they were at, they were the boss. ang liked to stay up late at night playing poker. that's why they had the situation to accommodate each other's needs.
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they were born conjoined and died conjoined. but at the time of the autopsy, they found they had conjoined livers. had they tried to get separated in life, it would not have been successful. >> because? >> they would have died. the liver is highly vascular. you can die just from blood loss. they would have died. >> and honestly, the sex, i just don't -- >> that's where your imagination can take you because i'm not taking you there. >> you can't show me this and then say they had 21 kids and let's move on. i'm not ready to move on. >> you realize you're in the fetal position right now. >> i'm a ball of horror. >> my work here is done. peace out. >> you're so weird. show me something else. >> thank you. >> will mike rowe recover? find out on "somebody's gotta do it" wednesday at 9:00 eastern on
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cnn. that's it for us. i'm michaela pereira. >> i'm john berman. "legal view" with ashleigh banfield starts right now. the case against cosby taking the leap from mere allegations to a full-fledged lawsuit. the accuser says she was just 15 at the time of the alleged assault claiming it all played out at the playboy mansion. also ahead, what's so controversial about defending cops and calling looters scumbags? plenty when it refers to ferguson and the guy talking is charles barkley. hear what else barkley had to say and the angry reactions he's getting this hour. and speaking of defending cops, who's protecting darren wilson from all the death threats ever since the killing of michael brown? hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield. welcome to "legal view."